Zeitgeist and Venus Project exposed - elitists rule, no democracy, worse than Hitler, Stalin and Mao?

I somehow got back to looking at the Zeitgeist Movement forum and was shocked to see so many incredibly desperate followers willing to give up ALL rights to be ruled by "computers" making decisions based on the "carrying capacity of the earth."

The Jonestown, Scientology, Hitler, Mao and Stalin atrocities pale in comparison to the Zeitgeist/Venus project desire to control humans.

As many thousands of people are losing their jobs, they're desperate and willing to give up all rights, clinging to the hope that Jacque Fresco's Venus Project will solve all problems.

Here's my posting today at http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=3&func=view&catid=3&id=50811&limit=10&limitstart=40#51393

It's amazing to see so many people who don't even realize that MONEY = RESOURCES.

There is NO difference. I have a business and I really don't care whether you pay me in dollars, pesos, euros, gold, organic flour or repairs to my truck. Got something else you'd like to trade?

And it's frustrating to know that we could really make a difference, but instead, desperate people are sucked into this Zeitgeist cult.

Somebody mentioned Scientology and that's actually a pretty good comparison. Unlike Scientology, joining the Venus Project is NOT voluntary.

The stated Venus Project goal is to rule the ENTIRE planet!

This isn't about AI. Computers are programmed.

It's about writing a program that calculates the "carrying capacity of the planet". The PROGRAMMERS will decide who works where, what you eat, how you live, and how many people will NOT live because the population exceeds the "carrying capacity."

"Somebody" determined that the earth carrying capacity is 500 million.

The Georgia Guidestones:

MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000
IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE
GUIDE REPRODUCTION WISELY —
IMPROVING FITNESS AND DIVERSITY
UNITE HUMANITY WITH A LIVING
NEW LANGUAGE
RULE PASSION — FAITH — TRADITION
AND ALL THINGS
WITH TEMPERED REASON
PROTECT PEOPLE AND NATIONS
WITH FAIR LAWS AND JUST COURTS
LET ALL NATIONS RULE INTERNALLY
RESOLVING EXTERNAL DISPUTES
IN A WORLD COURT
AVOID PETTY LAWS AND USELESS
OFFICIALS
BALANCE PERSONAL RIGHTS WITH
SOCIAL DUTIES.
PRIZE TRUTH — BEAUTY — LOVE —
SEEKING HARMONY WITH THE
INFINITE
BE NOT A CANCER ON THE EARTH —
LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE —
LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE [emphasis added]


Now, AGAIN, from the Zeitgeist FAQ:


The following is a Q&A, which is answered directly by Jacque Fresco

"...

Who makes the decisions in a resource based economy?

No one does. The decisions are arrived at by the introduction of newer technologies and the carrying capacity of the earth. Computers could provide this information with electronic sensors throughout the entire industrial, physical complex. [emphasis added]"


Currently we have about 6 billion people. Do the math.

The Zeitgeist FAQ is scarier than anything Hitler, Stalin and Mao ever wrote.

I don't understand why the Zeitgeist followers don't insist on democracy.

I posted numerous links to ultra cool voting systems at trado.info/node/38

I HIGHLY recommend that you all watch the Common Good Bank slide show at commongoodbank.com/index.php?showvid=1

I want change as much as anyone.

I'm sick of the corruption, pollution, exploitation, wars and especially of knowing that every few seconds a human dies from starvation and lack of drinking water.

And I'd like to change that NOW.

Zeitgeist movie maker and organizer Peter Joseph made Alex Jones look like a complete moron in the interview last year.   Both Joseph and Fresco come off as these gentle and kind people.  But when you actually take the time to READ their plans, it's clear that they're planning something more like communism. 

In communist countries, you have the elite at the top telling the people what they need to do. 

Resources are allocated according to availability and needs, priorities are determined by "the computer." The central command decides what is produced where.  In communist regimes resources often are NOT available for all people. The elite never suffers. 

Notably, despite the lack of freedom and luxuries, many people from FORMER communist countries don't like capitalism and wish the wall in Germany never came down.  If you accepted the lack of freedom and democracy, life in the communist countries was easier.  Fewer worries, less stress. 

In the Venus Project an additional criteria is added to the communist style control: 

The carrying capacity of Earth.

The Zeitgeist movement is preparing for Zeitgeist Day on March 15 and I sure hope that many of you will help spread the word about their true intentions. 

The Zeitgeist followers certainly have the right to give up their rights.  It is their right to become slaves.

HOWEVER, I object to their stated goal of ruling the ENTIRE planet!

If they just wanted to be a community, I wouldn't be so worried.  It's their STATED goal of complete control over EVERYBODY on the planet that's so frightening. 

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Uhuh! Looks like it got too

Uhuh!

Looks like it got too real for Zeitgeist.  Just as I was about to discuss a few REAL issues with a REAL person (Chuck), they "locked" the thread.

We'll see what happens with the Zeitgeist movement, I don't expect much.   I'll get worried if they get donations from Google, foundations and other NWO fronts.

Jacque Fresco may be totally sincere, but he's no spring chicken and won't live forever.

For now it's chaos, NO activism whatsoever, many people looking for hope and answers and a leader to tell them WHAT to do.

For the record, I REALLY wanted the Zeitgeist Movement to be successful and to create some ACTION, see my 11/29/08 post at http://trado.info/content/must-watch-zeitgeist-addendum

I have HIGHLY recommended the Zeitgeist movies at my other sites such as at http://creditfactors.com/resistance/viewforum.php?f=2 -- "Must watch", pinned and over 1000 people viewed that post.

I did NOT go to the Zeitgeist forum to trash the "movement."  

After I first watched Addendum, I couldn't wait for the Movement site.  It was delayed.  Then the promised forums took FOREVER to materialize. 

And now I realize that the only "action" will be fundraising for the test city. 

I didn't see the budget anywhere, so I don't know whether they'll need a trillion or a thousand trillion dollars, how much they have and I suppose it's rather irrelevant.  Although it WOULD be nice if they operated as a TRANSPARENT organization.

Well, I can stop waiting for THEM to do something.  A bit of a bummer, but not that unexpected.

Sounds like a new

Sounds like a new Jonestown.

re Zeitgeist - I liked the Fed bashing and the religion bashing but then it went on to draw some weird conclusions.

I would rather live in a free country than on some controlled version of the starship Enterprise. I've always thought that trekkies were mouth breathers.

 

I've come to realize that

I've come to realize that Zeitgeist is both a religious and political movement.

It didn't take long till they shut down the topic with dissent.

The discussions at the Zeitgeist forum are exactly as at any religious / political forum.  Endless arguments over what will happen in the future, no substance, no reality, faith based.  That's faith in Fresco and the Venus Project and Utopia.

A lot like cults waiting for UFOs, planet X, whatever ...

It's very scary and very sad to see the many desperate people there, unemployed, broke, putting their FAITH in Utopia.

And considering the current economic situation, it's dangerous to have a cult wanting to do away with democracy, especially since they are seeking and might receive funding from the UN and EU.

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If we were to scrutinize democracy the way we do everything else these days, it wouldn't have made sense either.  First off, man has proven he can't rule over people, he is prone to corruption, bias and carnal instinct.  A computer, when left to its own devices, indiscriminately calculates the better course of logic.  It could, by default, take into account factors that would take the whole congressional assembly years to conjure. Working as one unit, it doesn't have to go through x amounts of departments and hands before implementing a course of action.  Everyone can structure an opinion at any time by submitting their statements to the mainframe.  This is calculated into the over-all public opinion.  There is no 'elitist' administration, there is just techies overseeing the functionality of the units and systems needed to run automated processes.

Next, religion will probably die off because it would be relied upon less as time goes on.  Spirituality will never die and everyone is free to have their own.  It's the controlling religious institutions that have to dissolve, not faith.  And finally, it's not a utopia!  It's framed on a 'resource based economy' where by eliminating scarcity, there is no need for a currency.  People will be free to pursuit artistic or intellectual endeavours and contribute to the greater good in that way.  There will always be research someone could conduct if they wanted to.  Land should be free for everyone, and then everyone would have the responsibility to maintain and look after it.

Personally, I don't believe it will work because most people have been brainwashed into thinking money is the ultimate goal.  The philosophy of 'he who dies with the most toys wins' is a reflection of the disgusting state of the western mind.  It's not okay to be racist, but it's okay to have social classes?  You have all bought into this illusion that wealth is everything without giving thought to the aspect of people.  The odds of someone making it big in wall-street is the same factors as winning the state lottery, why not go out and buy tickets?  The current political system is designed to keep you poor so you can keep feeding the rich.  When they die, their spoiled relatives get to squabble over the estate like vultures!  Most opinions are so uneducated, and so unethical that I can't believe they don't see it.  You’re turning to old political propaganda to make your case when in the heart of it all is simply corruptible men.  You’re afraid of everything because you want to protect your comfort zone.  This is the way you’re used to it so this is the way it should stay right?  You will gladly let the banks make wealth off of your money and your content with the crumbs they drop you.  So be it!  You don't deserve a world like the Venus project.  And even if Zeitgeist is presumptuous, at least someone is thinking about a change.  There are many transitional gaps to consider, but in contrast to the current economy, we've resorted to burning the furniture to stay warm.  Even if these stupid bail-outs work, they won't work forever, and the next drop could have even worse implications.  Everyone is so quick and eager to point the finger, but no one offers solutions.  So unless you have a better idea, shut up!  It's not even a complete work yet.  It's like telling a 3 year old that they will never be an artist based on his current drawings.  Think for yourself for once!  Stop shovelling the political and corporate BS, it's people like you that put people like Hitler in power.

 

So unless you have a better

So unless you have a better idea, shut up!

This is what is so incredibly dangerous about Peter Joseph and his followers.

Not only did they close the thread at the Zeitgeist movement forum where I had an interesting discussion with some of the Zeitgeist followers as soon as it looked like one person came out of his Zeitgeist trance, but they go around attacking people at OTHER sites, telling them to "shut up!"

You can see that the "Zeitgeisters" are not exactly the brightest cookies in the jar.

While I feel sorry for them, I have to say that I really don't care if people make the conscious decision to become slaves to the rulers of the machines.  They're free to become slaves if that's what they choose.

Stop shovelling the political and corporate BS, it's people like you that put people like Hitler in power.

That's odd.  Hitler wanted to rule the WORLD.

"Deutschland, Deutschland ueber alles ..."

Zeitgeisters ALSO want to rule the WORLD!

Peter Joseph wants to control the ENTIRE planet with his machines!

And "Switch" is apparently in the Zeitgeist SS, determined to silence all dissidents.  Where have we heard THAT before?

They're not even in power yet, imagine what will happen to your freedom when they DO have power.  

I asked: worse than Hitler, Stalin and Mao? 

Switch just confirmed that they ARE worse than all the worst dictators ever.

I finally got a gun, it's loaded and I will kill for my freedom if I have to. 

I won't let anyone send me to a FEMA camp or force me to move into your Utopia to become your slave without putting up a fight.

Switch, I have FAILED many more times "doing" than you ever THOUGHT about doing something! 

Posting insults at other peoples' websites doesn't count as "doing."

You are a loser, not very bright and incapable of accomplishing anything. 

So you attach yourself to some idiotic movement like Zeitgeist because you think you'll be part of the elite by being in their SS.

Good luck, slave, please just stay away from me.

This is what is so incredibly

This is what is so incredibly dangerous about Peter Joseph and his followers.
"Not only did they close the thread at the Zeitgeist movement forum where I had an interesting discussion with some of the Zeitgeist followers as soon as it looked like one person came out of his Zeitgeist trance, but they go around attacking people at OTHER sites, telling them to "shut up!".


Clearly the previous Zeitgeist supporter was irritated. But let me assure you we are are not "dangerous", we are motivated, there is a massive difference. Motivation does not, always, lead to aggression. Whether we are motivated for a good cause or not, only time will tell. But we, the Zeitgeist supporters, know this much without a hint of doubt; that our current Monetary System cannot last for much longer. Whether our Resource Based concept replaces it, or not, this system is going to fail, it is inevitable, nothing lasts forever, and flawed systems, such as this Monetary System, collapse much faster.


You can see that the "Zeitgeisters" are not exactly the brightest cookies in the jar.


While I feel sorry for them, I have to say that I really don't care if people make the conscious decision to become slaves to the rulers of the machines. They're free to become slaves if that's what they choose.

Stop shovelling the political and corporate BS, it's people like you that put people like Hitler in power.


“The brightest cookie in the jar” How did you reach this conclusion ma’am, is the fact that we do not trust our television sets, the fact that we do not trust our political figures, or the damn elites. Does this make us ignorant? Due simply to the fact that we wish to enlighten ourselves, that we believe the deaths of 34,000 children every day due to preventable causes is, to some extent, not right….this makes us stupid. All we are trying to do is help this world, if this makes us dull or ignorant, then so be it. I'll sacrifice a few brain cells, if I know that it'll make this world a better place. But unfortunately the contrary is the truth, those individuals that do not question society, they are the fools, ma'am. The individuals that watch "The Biggest Loser" on their 60" television sets while shoving triple dark chocolate ice cream down their bloated throats and wonder why the extra ten minute they walk everyday isn't making any difference, these are the fools ma'am. Our motivation to stand up for what is right, and question what is wrong, does not make us a fool.


And another thing, where did you get the notion that we want computers or machines to rule the world. First of all remove the word RULE, because nothing and no one is going to rule anything or anyone, I hope you understand that much....AT LEAST. No leaders are going to exist, no boundaries are going to exist, no form of power, or superiority is going to exist……no individual is going to be superior over any other individual. Machines are to be programmed to do one thing, our work, nothing else. The computer "leader" you must have heard of, is to be programmed to do one thing, react during disaster situations, the computer is to make the quick decisions which takes man many weeks to make. Why would man program a computer to dominate the world? Where is your logic ma’am?

That's odd. Hitler wanted to rule the WORLD.

"Deutschland, Deutschland ueber alles ..."


Once again, no one wants to rule the world. Please stop saying this, if you will. We are fighting for a better future for all of mankind. To proclaim nonsense such as this will not benefit anyone, including yourself, for you are only making yourself appear arrogant.


Zeitgeisters ALSO want to rule the WORLD!

Peter Joseph wants to control the ENTIRE planet with his machines!  
And "Switch" is apparently in the Zeitgeist SS, determined to silence all dissidents. Where have we heard THAT before?


They're not even in power yet, imagine what will happen to your freedom when they DO have power.  
I asked: worse than Hitler, Stalin and Mao? 
Switch just confirmed that they ARE worse than all the worst dictators ever.


We are not going to have power (not the sort of power you speak of); except the power of man, united. You are going to be our power, believe it or not, one day you will regret having said all of this, you will realize the folly of you ways. The folly of submitting to this purposeless life of mere consumption. The day you are laid off and replaced with a machine (the corporations are going to introduce the machines not us, the fully automated factories are going to lay people off, and that is when all of this is going to start taking effect), and you are living on the street, you will realize that you were wrong.


I finally got a gun, it's loaded and I will kill for my freedom if I have to.


I won't let anyone send me to a FEMA camp or force me to move into your Utopia to become your slave without putting up a fight.


GOOD, feel free to use your gun when you believe your freedom is in danger. That is the purpose of owning a weapon, as our forefathers intended. But do you really believe you have as much freedom today, as the citizens of this nation did, say a century ago. That is another reason, of the hundreds of reasons, we are fighting, the lack of freedom in this society. How can one be free in a society with tens of thousands of restrictions and laws, it is time for these laws, which exist only because people cannot find a technical solution to these issues, to come to an end.

No one is going to be forced to do anything. Go ahead oppose us to the end of your days, that’s fine. No one is going to force you to move into a city. You can live anywhere you want, wear whatever you want, drive whatever you want: this is the whole purpose of this cause, the freedom to live your life as you please. You can enter one of our cities, get your food, your necessities, and return to your current home. Do whatever you want, it’s your life, live it as you please.


Switch, I have FAILED many more times "doing" than you ever THOUGHT about doing something!


Posting insults at other peoples' websites doesn't count as "doing."

Well he was clearly doing something, irritating you :) .


You are a loser, not very bright and incapable of accomplishing anything.

So you attach yourself to some idiotic movement like Zeitgeist because you think you'll be part of the elite by being in their SS.
Good luck, slave, please just stay away from me.


And those comments are not very nice, then again, considering it is you site, you may do as you please. But, and I am certain you will agree, had you factually disproved the information provided in Zeitgeist, then there would not have been such passionate opposition against you. Rather, we could have had a dignified debate, and this mindless seesaw disagreement would never have taken place. Let me just recommend something at this moment, save your time, and cease trying to deter us, you will not succeed. The facts are all too clear, and to explain it allegorically, the dullest of knifes is a butter knife, yet you cannot even cut butter. For, by your standard, we are butter, we melt in the presence of heat, the groundless idologies of Zeitgeist have molded us into an army of fools (so you believe). But we are not butter, and you are not a butter knife, we are all humans, and we live in discouraging times, terrifying times, to say the least. We all seek explanations yet all we find is more discouragement, this is where The Zeitgeist Movement is introduced, we are a united force, trying to make a difference in this ruinous world, into something our great grandchildren will proudly call home.

 

I understand how one can identify similarties between this movment and the many evil movements from the past. But there are many undeniable differences between those tyrannical movements and ours; we are planning on eradicating money, the miltary, politics, and all laws, OH and not to mention....we have no leader, we are united only by our common cause.  Peter Joesph is only our representive, our voice, we do not have to obey him.

Vahram, you must be part of

Vahram, you must be part of the "communication team" (propaganda, lobbying) Peter Joseph recently announced at

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Peter-Joseph/2009/04/08/The-Zeitgeist-Movement-Bi-Weekly-Report-with-Peter-Joseph

Jacque Fresco has to be the most evil person I have heard in a long time.

He will ELIMINATE fairy tales! 

Kids won't be able to enjoy their favorite stories, they'll have to learn about SCIENCE instead.  What a freaking PERVERT! 

Due simply to the fact that we wish to enlighten ourselves, that we believe the deaths of 34,000 children every day due to preventable causes is, to some extent, not right….this makes us stupid.

What makes you stupid is that you NOT ONLY fail to save a single child, but you've been brainwashed into believing instead of THINKING and DOING.

You see that the current system isn't working, but you can't come up with solutions on your own.

You've been brainwashed into BELIEVING that you are not capable of leaving the corrupt system and you BELIEVE that you cannot create a new system.  You feel powerless.  So you joined the Zeitgeist cult to let Peter Joseph and Jacque Fresco do the thinking FOR you.  They PREY on people like you and Peter Joseph openly admits it.

Jacque Fresco is a eugenicist. 

Instead of TAKING ACTION to save these children, his FIRST action is to determine  "the planet's carrying capacity."

I thought I wasn't hearing right, but that's what he said.  Vahram, it's NOT about saving children, it's about killing them.

The ONLY way Joseph and Fresco can accomplish their goal to control the ENTIRE planet is by adding something to the food or water to cause all humans to lose all emotions. 

Maybe whatever they use for chemical castration and a little heroin will  keep people subdued and content.

Listen carefully to Fresco and his rants about people enjoying excitement. 

He wants ROBOTS, not humans.

Without drugs (or a lobotomy and castration), human beings will always be highly emotional and that's a GOOD thing.

You can't have love without hatred. 

You can't have happiness and without sadness.

Way too many people already are so drugged that they don't get ANGRY.  I don't understand why people put up with the CRAP, the daily harassment and abuse by corporations and the government.  Many millions are on happy pills and city water contains so many chemicals and drugs, it's starting to have a serious impact.

And then I see apparently intelligent people like you become completely delusional and you just BELIEVE whatever sounds good to you -- no matter how unrealistic.

There is NO society ANYWHERE with people living productive and happy without all the problems we're seeing everywhere.  It's HUMAN NATURE. 

Why do you think that Jacque Fresco accomplished absolutely NOTHING during his long life?

He doesn't even have a TINY community of 10 to show you how well his theories work.  That's because he talks about his FANTASIES.

Of course I think life should be better for most and with a TRUE democracy and citizens who CARE, life could be a lot less cruel.

I can DOCUMENT my theory / fantasy.

Check out the highly evolved Federation of Damanhur with almost 1,000 citizens.  They have been around for 30 years and they are the ONLY community I know of that managed to overcome the greed and corruption and they maintained a truly democratic system.  They argue and they are competitive, but they work through problems without killing each other and without destroying their community.  They have FUN and they play GAMES.  They INVENT and they continually CHANGE.  They are ALIVE and full of EMOTIONS!

The Damanhurians are DOERS and Peter Joseph and Jack Fresco are TALKERS who'll need everybody else to DO the work.

It is MORE LIKELY that you can join some cult and the UFO WILL SHOW UP to take you to paradise than having the Venus Project become reality -- unless they brainwash and drug the entire planet's population and turn everybody into their emotionless slaves.

Hopefully YOU have actually DONE something.  I'd like to get together with you.  

Your profile shows Henderson as your city and I'll be in Vegas in a couple weeks.  I'd love to learn from YOUR off grid system, garden, medicinal plants and/or whatever YOU have been DOING to make a difference.

Jacque Fresco at

Jacque Fresco at http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Peter-Joseph/2009/04/08/The-Zeitgeist-Movement-Bi-Weekly-Report-with-Peter-Joseph towards the end of the broadcast:

The first city will be a planning center where we'll do a geological survey of the earth's resources ... Now, what you really have to study is not how many hungry people you've got, or how many people of different persuasion, but you have to study what do we have on earth, what is the carrying capacity of the earth and the  population has to be maintained in accordance to the carrying capacity of the earth, not someone's opinion.

The title of this topic: Zeitgeist and Venus Project exposed - elitists rule, no democracy, worse than Hitler, Stalin and Mao?

It is beyond  bizarre to have these totally conflicting PROMISES of NO government and NO ruler and COMPLETE FREEDOM and then TOTAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL.

The GOVERNMENT is the very first thing they'll create!!!

The CONTROL MECHANISM will be in place BEFORE the people. 

Jacque Fresco confirmed my worst fears. 

They know that Zeitgeist LIFE is going to be horrible and they don't WANT to test their fantasies. 

They KNOW they can't keep their promises.

I imagine life would be a lot like in China or Russia, with the CENTRAL COMMAND allocating all resources.  Only the privileged would be allowed to have children, no more FUN jobs, everybody has to be productive.  Fun and excitement will be prohibited.

So instead of creating the first community, they'll make a PROPAGANDA MOVIE.

And they come right out and announce their intentions.  Does anybody in the "movement" have an IQ above 70?

It's difficult to determine who's worse -- the NWO or Fresco and Joseph.

They could well be the same.  It makes perfect sense.  They actively DISCOURAGE dissent and activism and ANY kind of action to change the world, to fight for our rights, to live sustainable.

They're transforming ACTION into "communication" -- spreading their gospel.

The next Zeitgeist "communicator" should really post links with PICTURES to what they've ACCOMPLISHED.  Show me a house, a garden, anything other than propaganda.

No more fairy tales, PLEASE!

And I'd also like to know where Fresco's kids and grandkids are. 

Vahram, you must be part

Vahram, you must be part of

Vahram, you must be part of the "communication team" (propaganda, lobbying) Peter Joseph recently announced at

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Peter-Joseph/2009/04/08/The-Zeitgeist-Movement-Bi-Weekly-Report-with-Peter-Joseph

I am part of that group. But any buffoon can join the group, and there are no obligations placed upon the members. Being a member of the group does not, necessarily, imply anything. Technically, you could join the group if you wanted to, and continue opposing it within the forums. But I am a passionate supporter of the cause , this is true. 

Jacque Fresco has to be the most evil person I have heard in a long time.


Well that is entirely dependent upon one’s perspective, is it not. I for one do not consider any human being to be “evil”. Wickedness is a mere reaction to one’s environment, as crime; man does whatever is necessary to survive. If society does not provide the necessities for survival, then one should expect the population to revolt, and overthrow the corrupt system. That is, unless the system has managed to “brainwash” the population into believing everything is fine and dandy. Well I have news for you, nothing is fine and dandy. The only people that are happy at this moment, that should be happy, are those few individuals that have a couple of corporations in their back pockets, instead of a wallet, and instead of straining over their debt, they strain over the amount of zeros at the end of their Swiss bank accounts. Jacque Fresco, is only human; the only evil person is the person who does not care.


And another thing my friend, there is only one source of propaganda, and lobbying inflicted upon the population these days, the corporations. I am certain you are aware of this.


He will ELIMINATE fairy tales!


Kids won't be able to enjoy their favorite stories, they'll have to learn about SCIENCE instead. What a freaking PERVERT!


Where do you get this information from? Did he say he was going to eliminate fairy tales? No, of course not. On the contrary people will be inclined to produce more fairly tales. Art will take a grander position in the lives of man. With the free time, anyone and everyone will be able to make their own art…fairy tales, or whatever you wish.  

Due simply to the fact that we wish to enlighten ourselves, that we believe the deaths of 34,000 children every day due to preventable causes is, to some extent, not right….this makes us stupid.

What makes you stupid is that you NOT ONLY fail to save a single child, but you've been brainwashed into believing instead of THINKING and DOING.


Are we not thinking and doing? Man must have faith and hope in his cause, as he thinks and does. The death of 34,000 children is a FACT, it is a fact which has given me a motive to join this cause. And if you believe that I am not doing anything, well then, my friend, what am I doing right now ;). I am also the founder of one of the Zeitgeist chapters within the region, devoted to spreading awareness within Southern Nevada. It has only two members at the moment, for I founded the chapter only a week ago am I am confined to my bed, for two months. That car accident was a turning point in my life, it is the reason I discovered Addendum and the Zeitgeist forum. And the fact that it added thousands of dollars to my parents debt, on top of the tens of thousands, when my father’s business failed, this provided further inspiration, to oppose this monetary system. We did not have health insurance, who can afford 600 dollars a month.


Believe me, we are doing...we are doing A LOT. The problem is you recieve your news only from the media; for if you did not, then you would  have realized that we have a lot of support. There are countless protests around this world, many of them are chanting, “End to the Fed” “No more money” etc. etc. Most of these people haven’t even heard of Zeitgeist, yet they have reached our same conclusion. It is clear, after reading your comments, that you are a passionate individual. I hope you agree, that with passion follows dedication, I am a passionate…human. I am dedicated to understanding why my fellow humans fail to live with one another, in peace, and why they fight so diligently to maintain the right to.....keep fighting with one another, and in process disregard the suffering and death of less fortunate humans.


My friend, if you can justify the death of 34,000 children, then you have my word, I will disassociate with the Zeitgeist movement for the rest of my life, that is my word.


You see that the current system isn't working, but you can't come up with solutions on your own.

You've been brainwashed into BELIEVING that you are not capable of leaving the corrupt system they and you BELIEVE that you cannot create a new system. You feel powerless. So you joined the Zeitgeist cult to let Peter Joseph and Jacque Fresco do the thinking FOR you. They PREY on people like you and Peter Joseph openly admits it.


We are not powerless. We have power; the power of every suffering human being; the power of every human being that has been thrown out, on the street, because he/she was unable to pay a bank, which itself is not entitled to the money; the power of every human being, who believes no medical procedure should be denied, if person's life is in question; the power of every human being, who believes this world is divided by our greed. The murder of these children, is what is insane. Do you not see this? No one is thinking for us, OUR LOGIC IS DOING THE THINKING. It is so clear, so rational, our motive. Have you even seen the Orientation Guide film, you must do so. No one is thinking for us, it’s called agreeing, we are united by our common cause. And I would like to know how you reached the conclusion that Peter Joseph openly admitted to such a thing.


WE are the solution my friend, we the people, which has, lately, been transformed into we the corporations.


Jacque Fresco is a eugenicist.


I would like to see some sources, before you make such ridiculous declarations.


Instead of TAKING ACTION to save these children, his FIRST action is to determine "the planet's carrying capacity."


I thought I wasn't hearing right, but that's what he said. Vahram, it's NOT about saving children, it's about killing them.


LOL! The carrying capacity of this planet is WELL INTO THE TEN’s OF BILLIONS. No one has to die. It is merely a question of properly distributing the food, and extinguishing waste, which is vast in western societies. THIS SOCIETY IS THE MURDERER, 37 million people die from starvation every year, and yet you make groundless accusations, only for the sake of assualt.


The ONLY way Joseph and Fresco can accomplish their goal to control the ENTIRE planet is by adding something to the food or water to cause all humans to lose all emotions.

Maybe whatever they use for chemical castration and a little heroin to keep people subdued and content.

Listen carefully to Fresco and his rants about people enjoying excitement.


You speak as if we do not have anything in our food or water today. Another one of the purposes of this movement, is to remove all the crap from our food and water. Absolutely everything which we add to our food today, to keep it “safe”, has proven to be a greater hindrance to our health, and this is to be removed. We are going to return to our original, natural, environmentally friendly methods of food cultivation. Except on a much more massive scale.
He wants ROBOTS, not humans.

Without drugs (or a lobotomy and castration), human beings will always be highly emotional and that's a GOOD thing.


The machines are to be controlled separately, every farm/ranch/factory/mine is to have a separate mechanized work force. Every one of these locations is to be managed by a group of people, trained volunteers. And if you believe these robots pose a threat to the safety of mankind….well, then, you are out of your mind.


You can't have love without hatred.


You’re right.


You can't have happiness and without sadness.


Right.


Way too many people already are so drugged that they don't get ANGRY. I don't understand why people put up with the CRAP, the daily harassment and abuse by corporations and the government. Many millions are on happy pills and city water contains so many chemicals and drugs, it's starting to have a serious impact.


RIGHT! People don’t get angry, this is a shame, but it is true because they simply do not know, and when they are provided with the truth, they ignore it, because they have been indoctrinated . This is one of the greatest motives of our movement. This abuse by the corporations, and the control by the media, preventing the sheep-like population from realizing this. This is more evident today, with the damn flu “epidemic”. Another load of BS.


And then I see apparently intelligent people like you become completely delusional and you just BELIEVE whatever sounds good to you -- no matter how unrealistic.


There is NO society ANYWHERE with people living productive and happy without all the problems we're seeing everywhere. It's HUMAN NATURE.


So what you are saying is: It is human nature to suffer? You know, I’ll be honest with you, I used to believe that as well. But then I asked myself….WHY!?!? In that case, you must agree, that it is human nature to try and avoid suffering as well. I have a question for you: What is stopping us? Is it MONEY! Am I wrong? What else? Is it RELIGION! Is there anything else? POLITICS! Get rid of these three variables, what else is left to prevent greater happiness (We never said people will be absolutely happy), what else is there to divide man; to create these divisions which cause suffering, war, starvation, disease. Nothing, there is nothing left.


What we are proposing is realistic. It is realistic, for full automation is realistic. That is one of the reasons why our support is increasing so quickly. It is very realistic, if it wasn’t then how could Jacque Fresco have single handedly designed these entire cities. If this was possible a century ago, then this movement would have started a century ago. This transcendence is but only a question of time, the time has arrived.


Why do you think that Jacque Fresco accomplished absolutely NOTHING during his long life?


He hasn’t accomplished anything, because he does not have any credentials. He stopped going to school from the age of 12, because he simply wasn’t interested in the things they were teaching him. He wanted to learn the things, he was interested in. Watch the Z-Day video, at New York, and you will know why. He taught himself everything he knows today. His work has been proclaimed around the world for its revolutionary designs.


He doesn't even have a TINY community of 10 to show you how well his theories work. That's because he talks about his FANTASIES.


I mentioned it before, the construction of the first community has started in New Zealand, it’s called the New Z-Land project.


Of course I think life should be better for most and with a TRUE democracy and citizens who CARE, life could be a lot less cruel.


A true democracy is not possible in a capitalist society. As long as there is money to tempt the weak minded, corruption will always exist.


I can DOCUMENT my theory / fantasy.
Check out the highly evolved Federation of Damanhur with almost 1,000 citizens. They have been around for 30 years and they are the ONLY community I know of that managed to overcome the greed and corruption and they maintained a truly democratic system. They argue and they are competitive, but they work through problems without killing each other and without destroying their community. They have FUN and they play GAMES. They INVENT and they continually CHANGE. They are ALIVE and full of EMOTIONS!


Well that’s great, but what’s the difference between this and another village with 1,000 people. They have their own constitution, their own currency, they concentrate on spirituality; is this a good thing? All this does is divide them from the rest of the world. That is what they wanted isn’t it? To separate themselves from the evils, in the rest of the world. That is all people do these days, they finds flaws in mankind, and they start these small communities, to avoid associating with them…to escape the problems. What is this going to accomplish? Instead of creating more divisions, we should be uniting TO SOLVE PROBLEMS instead of creating more. That is another purpose of this cause, to unite mankind.


The Damanhurians are DOERS and Peter Joseph and Jack Fresco are TALKERS who'll need everybody else to DO the work.


Listen, if the whole world does not approve…then nothing is going to happen. But if most of the world realizes that this world is flawed, that our “leaders” don’t give a chicken’s shit about us, and if we all want to change…..then it will begin. The automation of our occupations will begin, freedoms will be returned. And gradually, one expense at a time, will be removed.


It is MORE LIKELY that you can join some cult and the UFO WILL SHOW UP to take you to paradise than having the Venus Project become reality -- unless they brainwash and drug the entire planet's population and turn everybody into their emotionless slaves.


The Venus Project will become a reality, not any time soon, but it will. If mankind is to exist in the future (in a civilized manner), then The Venus Project will become a reality.


Hopefully YOU have actually DONE something. I'd like to get together with you.


Your profile shows Henderson as your city and I'll be in Vegas in a couple weeks. I'd love to learn from YOUR off grid system, garden, medicinal plants and/or whatever YOU have been DOING to make a difference.


I would like to meet with you as well, but I am bed ridden, and frankly, my parents do not approve of my ideologies, and they would not like to hear this discussion within the household. But I would, definitely enjoy meeting with you in the future.


You know what, I think you should be defending YOUR cause, you should be defending this damn Monetary Society. For your assumptions are ABSOLUTELY GROUNDLESS. I have the facts, I have sanity on my side, I have morality, the well-being of mankind on my side, on the contrary this Monetary Society has killed countless people, yet you feel inclined to prosecute a system which is less then a year old. Only recently have we started the construction of the first RBS in New Zealand. 

Vahram, I have NEVER seen

Vahram, I have NEVER seen anyone as brainwashed as you. 

How could you have listened to http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Peter-Joseph/2009/04/08/The-Zeitgeist-Movement-Bi-Weekly-Report-with-Peter-Joseph and call me a liar?

Here is the QUOTE, as posted in my previous comment, Jacque Fresco's OWN words on 4/8/09:

The first city will be a planning center where we'll do a geological survey of the earth's resources ... Now, what you really have to study is not how many hungry people you've got, or how many people of different persuasion, but you have to study what do we have on earth, what is the carrying capacity of the earth and the  population has to be maintained in accordance to the carrying capacity of the earth, not someone's opinion.

Fresco IS a eugenicist and he will eliminate fairy tales for children.   I did NOT make that up.  I heard it.  ANYONE can hear it.  But YOU are so brainwashed you're incapable of comprehending.

I'm sorry you are bed ridden and maybe that's why you are so easily manipulated.  However, it does not excuse your failure to do just a little bit of research about me and THIS site. 

To accuse me of supporting the bankers and the monetary system is about as absurd as it gets.

I have been exposing the bankers' fraud for 15 years!  See http://creditfactors.com/about/history/ for links to the DOCUMENTATION. TransAmerica, Wells Fargo and FNMA fraud documentaries -- in the 90s!!!  Fair Isaac's FICO scoring fraud exposed, in 1997!

I litigated against banks, credit bureaus and the government since 2003 in federal court.  I published my litigation and the corruption of the judicial system.  You can read almost all filings, orders and discovery at CreditCourt.

In 2007 I decided to stop financing the bankers, see my open letter at http://mylitigation.net/pr/news/release/open_letter_to_wamu_my_refusal_to_pay_my_8000_wamu_providian_visa_card/

I walked my talk and got the bank account balances to prove it.

Just recently I established the PEOPLES' currency, the Trado.

I have wasted many years of my life, all my money and most of my energy on fighting the corrupt government and corporations.  I realize now that it was a waste of time because most people are like you. Beyond help.  Brainwashed.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

At this point I just hope that a few of my readers take my advice, stop paying their unsecured debts and start preparing for tough times.

I'm not worried about the swine flu.

I'm worried about vaccines and meds, expanded government powers and panic.  And I'm worried about propagandists like you pacifying people with FALSE hope and the Fresco / Joseph fairy tales.  How many people will DIE because they believe the fairy tales and do NOTHING?

Vahram, I wish you the best, but please don't post here anymore. 

I asked in my last comment that people post pictures of accomplishments INSTEAD of propaganda.   You ignored me and I really don't appreciate being ignored.

NO more Zeitgeist propaganda at MY sites, PLEASE!

Fairy tales are cool for kids, but this isn't kindergarten.

I am sorry I did not read the

I am sorry I did not read the entirety of the second post, I was planning on responding to that after I had responded to your first reply. And it was not my intention to acuse you of supporting the corporations, on the contrary I am quite aware of your opposition to the corporations and the banking system. What I was trying to say was that you left the image that you supported them, because you opposed US so passionately. And I do not ignore people, I am sorry, I would not have "propagandized" if I had read that final statement. And I will stop posting here, this is my final post. The proof you requested:

http://www.new-zland.com/ - first Resource Based Colony

http://zeitgeistresources.com/index.php- Website to unite people around the world, to create the first colonies, and spread awareness.

 

 

"NO more Zeitgeist propaganda

"NO more Zeitgeist propaganda at MY sites, PLEASE!"

HUH?!? Why do you have an article dedicated for this, this is confusing.

Anyway, whatever the future holds, I hope, as another human being that all human beings will be given a chance to thrive and start taking care of planet earth. This is a vision that is common to the movement and The Venus Project. Whether or not it unfolds that is determined by society.

HUH?!? Why do you have an

HUH?!? Why do you have an article dedicated for this, this is confusing.

There's a HUGE difference between propaganda and information. 

I've been meaning to post some more about Zeitgeist and especially the deletion of the Zeitgeist groups in Germany at social sites. 

Anyway, whatever the future holds, I hope, as another human being that all human beings will be given a chance to thrive and start taking care of planet earth.

On my planet earth where *** I *** am currently residing I already HAVE everything you're HOPING for.

And that's the problem with Zeitgeist:  the delusion that the computers have to turn all humans into their slaves to give them a chance to thrive.

I just watched the first Zeitgeist movie again with a friend, hadn't seen it in a couple years.   How can one make such a great movie and conclude that humans shouldn't be allowed to live however they want and think for themselves? 

I don't need religion and I don't need the Zeitgeist computers to tell me how to live and what to believe.

I think some of you are

I think some of you are missing the point, America is not the wild wild west anymore. You can't load your gun and go killing each other like stp52x suggested. The Zeitgeist Movement or something like it must happen for power to go back to the people. I think some of you are naive and blind to past History concerning revolts and uprisings. Most if not all of them started by the Government taking to much power from the people. I think you are forgetting the fact that now because of Bush the president now has the power to do anything he wants without citizen approval, and has striped the average of American of his rights. I fear the America my children will have to face and have even contemplated leaving this country for their protection. You can no longer fight and protect your family with the gun, you must now organize in secret. You guys need to stop bickering with each other and join forces, special forces to work as one entitty and for a common goal, a better future for your young ones to grow in. If assasignating the President is whats required, then that special group of you will execute it. Thats the type of mindset you must adopt if your offspring is going to survive into the next generation. If you can't adopt then your going to be the first to be eliminated by the new Government officials that are being created as we speak. The men with the black bags, their coming just you wait and see. I encourage you to do your homework and wake up to the real world thats around you. I apploud the few of you that have already taken the first steps in the right direction, it is now time for you to come together in secret to slowly bring balance and control back to the majority. Long live Robin Hood and his merry men!

You are missing the fact that

You are missing the fact that the Zeitgeist STATED goal is to turn ALL PEOPLE (no exceptions) into slaves with NO rights whatsoever -- not even the right to vote for one moron or another.

People who dare to disagree with the Zeitgeist goals will be "re-educated."

Things suck now, but at least I can still own a gun and defend myself and my property. 

I don't like to kill, but I will if I have to.

You made many true statements about the abuse of power by our current government.

Why do you want to give even MORE power, ABSOLUTE power over the entire planet, to Peter Joseph and Jacque Fresco?

Mmmm. TheZeitgeist movement:

Mmmm. TheZeitgeist movement: Don't know that much about it, but its advocacy of a moneyless propertyless world society is on the ball. However, for this to work, you've got be democratic. Check out http://andycox1953.webs.com/ for more more on this

yawn

I hate to say it, but the Zeitgheisters<sp> seem to have discovered what Cecil Rhodes was all about in the 1850's.  He won.

Christine, you seem to be a

Christine, you seem to be a sincere person looking to enhance society and the world, but some of the things you say seems to lack deep thought. For instance, you keep writing that people on the Zeitgeist Movement site are "unemployed" and "desperate." How is it that you know the status of those 360,000+ people?

You also stated how the ZM is similar to communism in that the elite would rule over everyone else. First, there's nothing in any of the videos or interviews I've heard that support that statement. I have heard Peter Joseph say that he would like to see a holographic approach so that every group is focused on the same task but remains independent. You cannot be a ruler if you have no control. Secondly, doesn't capitalism (and every other ism) produce an elite group that controls government policy, laws, commerce, news, etc.?

Currently, the ZM is in an educational and foundational phase, so the action that many may be looking for comes in the form of communication of the ideas and priniciples of The Venus Project and making sure that proponents of the ZM understand what the future with a Resource Based Economy would be like.

Yes, you can keep your guns. You can live where you want. You can drink and smoke. You can teach, draw, travel, build, design, or do nothing. It's up to you. There is actually more freedom in a RBE not less since currently people are limited in what they can do by how much money they have access to. In a RBE there is no money to limit a person from fulfilling what they'd like done.

Money is not a resource itself but a representation of resources just like a credit score is a representation of trustworthiness. Native Americans did just fine without money and so did all of our ancestors thousands of years ago. You can't build a house with dollar bills. You need brick, mortar, wood, or metal. Would you rather be on deserted island with $1 billion or have fish, fruit and wood?

The other thing is that it doesn't make much sense to be paranoid about computers determining things for us. Don't millions of people use GPS now? I'm pretty sure billions of people have faith that the programming code for their bank is accurate, and that when we all click submit in forums and blogs that our words are properly represented to the next person.

How many people did Hitler,

How many people did Hitler, Mao and Stalin kill? Certainly millions. How many people have the Zeitgeist Movement or the Venus Project killed? Zero. Hitler, Stalin and Mao were also part of political parties. Is the ZM or TVP a political party? Not at all. Why then is the relation being brought up? The ZM is only a group of like minded individuals with a goal for the future in the same vein as the Tea Party or the Green  Party.

Some misstatements were made about the ZM in the original and subsequent posts. One can search the main site of the ZM at http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com and there is NO indication or statements about killing people in order to maintain a certain predetermined population. There are statements about educating adults on child births and its possible affects on overpoupulation. Overpopulation is currently a real concern in certain places like China and Japan where the land may not support the number of people living there.

Regarding freedoms, it has been stated that those who want to hunt, smoke, snort, drink, pray, or play sports can do so. There is no indication that any action will be prohibited as long as that action doesn't kill or maim other people. http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=28&Itemid=66

The biggest contention seems to be around the use of machines and computers to fully automate as many task as possible or give proper feedback on the environment etc. This seems like an odd point for people to be concerned about since computers and machines do a lot of work for us now. We have automated switchboards for phone calls, ATMs for banking, GPS, radar, seismographs, OBD and ECUs in cars, satellites, election ballots, and generally billions of computers that process data for us every day. Most factories are automated today and many ofther services are becoming automated because companies don't have to pay machines only maintenance personnel. 

What then is so dark and insidious about a computer being fed a data set and then telling us the best locations to build a bridge or tunnel? We approve the location and project and then an alert goes out to all of the trained engineers or construction personnel for volunteers until enough people confirm their assistance. Perhaps the tunnel would alleviate traffic congestion that was detected by a sensor there. If this is a system to fear then we should also fear automated sprinkler systems and elections.

Many of us want the same things. Why not share what you'd like to see in the future. What are some things that you would defintely like to change about the current system of society? Are you satisfied with the FDA or the Board of Ed? Do you think organizations like the UN are beneficial? What about the last 40 or so years of USA foreign policy? How should the earth's people and nations interact?

Also, if by chance anyone does see or hear statements clearly corroborating the claim eugenics or any other deplorable act concerning the ZM or TVP please provide sources. Otherwise your statement could be viewed by others as hearsay.

Jesus, lady

I can't believe how you've completely blown this all out of proportion, and in the ultimate WARPED way.

You said: "You are missing the fact that the Zeitgeist STATED goal is to turn ALL PEOPLE (no exceptions) into slaves with NO rights whatsoever -- not even the right to vote for one moron or another"

wow!

Are you joking?!? The entire premise of the Venus Project is to TRULY free people. Thats its main goal. From poverty, disease, debt, servitude, or ANY OTHER KIND OF SUBSERVIANCE. We're working to create a system of TOTAL ACCESS. Where everyone has access to all of the necessities of life without a price-tag AND to free people from the requirement of labor for wages because its highly ABUSIVE and UNNECESSARY in our current state of technology. THIS IS TRUE FREEDOM. Jacque is 93 years old. Do you actually think he's trying to take over the world and be a dictator??? He spends most of his time drawing pictures! He does about 6 detailed drawings of new structures and ideas everyday.

He's been very clear in stating that this is the direction he PROPOSES. A system where NOONE has control or power over another. Instead we will all work together as a single united global family. Noone has power. Trust me. I've spent HUNDREDS of hours going over all content related to this movement. This is actually a TRUE democracy. Not in the fact that we all vote on things, but in that everything is for the good of ALL of the people, period. Thousands of conflicting thoughts, feelings and opinions are useless when it comes to providing the very best for people. We don't need to vote on things because we wont be dealing with the issues we have today. If there is a need for something in society, then we address it. And if people want to do something, they can do it. We don't have to vote. As long as it doesnt hurt anyone, and as long as we have the resources to support it. We will all be able to pursue our dreams and personal interests. And everyone will do all that they can to assist eachother in doing that. Really? Yes, really. Thats what this about. "What will people do if they don't have to work anymore??" Whatever they want to do. Whatever their heart desires. They have a right to do what brings them joy. And if you think that this will be destructive and potentially dangerous, then you dont fully understand human nature, scarcity, or how its the monetary-system that facilitates and rewards corrupt and selfish behavior. You also need to understand, THE COMPUTER SYSTEM HE TALKS ABOUT IS NOT IN CHARGE!!! People do what they want and nothing else!! Thats the point! The computers assist us in addressing problems. We utilize it in the same way we utilize a calculator.

So again, how would we be slaves like you are claiming?? And where are you getting this crap? You said that people in the movement dont realize that MONEY = RESOURCES. Are you kidding?? We know moneys role in this society. Obviously. But money is just paper. You can't eat money. You're car can't run on money. Again, money is just paper. Period. Its so-called "value" is only valid in our agreement that it has value. If you don't understand that, i can't help you. Just like you're mother never charged you whenever you went into your refrigerator for something to eat, we don't feel like money is necessary if the world decides to work together as a unified whole. We also easily have the potential for total (clean) energy abundance if we utilized the methods that are available. Energy would be abundant like air so we'd never have to pay another electric bill. We would direct all of our efforts to create abundance in all aspects. So we wont need money. And when we do away with money, and if we really tried, we could eliminate most of the meaningless jobs out there that only help in someway of closing out a transaction. Don't you see that that is the WORST possible thing you could possibly seek to do, if your goal is to control people??? The threat of unemployment is what paralyzes us and prevents millions of people from storming the whitehouse to demand we end the war now like we see in other countries. You are really a horrible judge of character for saying "jacque APPEARS all nice and sweet...". He IS a great person. You have no appreciation (or awareness) of how he has chosen to spend his life and the work he has done. Not to mention, you are incredibly paranoid.

You also said "People who dare to disagree with the Zeitgeist goals will be "re-educated."

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHAT KIND OF GARBAGE IS THIS?? "People who "DARE" disagree with us"???  ...."will be re-educated"?? That is absolute BS. This is NOT a takeover. It is the exact opposite of a takeover. Infact, the movement has stated over and over that NOONE who doesnt want to participate has to. All other opposing views or other groups of people who arent interested don't have to participate and we completely respect that. This is a HUMANITARIAN MOVEMENT. But we feel that the benefits of our society will be so great, people WILL DEFINITELY WANT to be a part of it. But they certainly don't have to. You miss, are an absolute slanderer. You're probably a Christian also. And thats ok too. But thats the main reason I could see why someone would have the need to spread such garbage about what our movement is about. We arent against christianity. But many of us see it for what it is, which is an astrotheological hybrid of many religions that came before it. (horus, attis, adonis, mithra, krishna, dionysus, etc.) Thats probably what you find so threatening. And we do observe the fact that its definitely a very divisive element in society, as are all religions. But still, we arent against people holding any particular beliefs. Thats totally fine. But religious dogma will never be what we base our social decisions on. Only concrete scientific study, with tangible relevant results. We won't be praying that our crops will grow, that we won't die from cancer, or be wiped out by floods or tornados. We will do ALL the necessary studies required to address these issues in the most efficient, sustainable, environmentally-friendly, and "community-conscious" way possible.

You call us stupid, especially for "believing the lies and being so easily controlled" when its you who is such by your own definition. But in all fairness, you just havent looked into the movement and what we are really advocating enough. Most of us infact, are INCREDIBLY bright, with a strong thirst for truly meaningful, and relevant knowledge. We're growing and becoming more and more well-informed on a myriad of subjects all the time.  :)

We're not your enemy. I promise.

Take care.

RESEARCHED Zeitgeist - spent AT LEAST 200 hours

Didn't you read what I wrote in THIS thread?

And how about reading what I wrote at the Zeitgeist forum?

My knowledge is based on my research, my READING and DISCUSSING the Zeitgeist Movement at the Zeitgeist forum. 

THAT is where I found those DESPERATE people.

I'm 51 years old, I travelled the world and I've always been looking for ways to live in harmony with other people, animals and nature.

And now I know that at least 90% of humans are just plain IGNORANT.  That doesn't mean that they deserve to be exploited and defrauded, but it means that MILLIONS will embrace leaders like Hitler, Mao, Stalin and more recently, Obama, Joseph and Fresco. 

The Obama DECEPTION is the very best and of course most recent example of gullible ignorant people believing ANYTHING as long as it sounds good.

When I saw the video during the campaign of this woman who BELIEVED that Obama would make sure that her loans got paid, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

Of course by now just about everybody figured out that it was nothing but LIES and DECEPTION.

Just like her, you refuse to accept reality and you BELIEVE that everybody will have everything and live happily once Zeitgeisters rule the planet.

Wake up!

You're dreaming.

There is absolutley NO evidence to substantiate the ludicrous Zeitgeist claims.

If you want to get a clue about money, read Ellen Brown's WEB OF DEBT. 

It's NOT money that's bad, but the PEOPLE who create and control it and use it to manipulate.  If the Zeitgeist leaders had their way, they would ALSO control and manipulate the entire planet.

There is NO difference between using MONEY or RESOURCES to control people.

Christine

 


 

Please don't lie..

Christine, there is no way you have objectively researched the Zeitgeist movement. I can see by your claims that members of the movement are desperate and that the Venus Project wants to turn people to slaves that you hear what you want to hear, and that you will not change your mind no matter what is said to you. But since people read this and will be influenced by your mindblowing statements I feel that I have to respond.

The Venus Prosject does not want to forbid anything, therefore it will not forbid fairytales. But the question is, do you want your kid to have fun with science and learning (yes it is possible, I used to love animal documentaries et.) or do you want them to read about princesses being saved by princes. Not even remotely relevant to life. Noone is forcing one or the other.

Zeitgeist has never used the word "rule". I dare you to find it used. How can you rule without any rulers? Have you read anything about a resource based economy? If someone does not want to join the society we propose, than they will not be forced, as stated many times. However, we need many participants to make this a reality, preferrably all over the world.

You draw so many conclusions without even checking the facts. Jacque says this all the time: "Don't answer your own question about the movement with your own projections, find the answer on the venus project site or somewhere else related to the movement." You either do not look up answers to you questions, or you interpret the words very differently than what they mean.

I hope you will stop lying about the movement and maybe start to criticize it in a constructive manner. "It is not perfect, just a hell of alot better than what we have now" -Jaqcue Fresco I urge sceptics to come and listen to what we have to say, and please ask questions. Nobody can understand without asking and learning.

This thread is now CLOSED to new comments

You don't have a SINGLE link to document your allegations while I posted NUMEROUS links. 

The Zeitgeisters have NOTHING to back up their ludicrous claims.  So they post and post and post the same copied/pasted propaganda pieces over and over.

So here's one more link:

http://directory.ic.org/22272/Zeitgeist_Collective

The ENTIRE description is a copy/paste from the Zeitgeist website.

But it gets even better:

Labor Contribution: Expected
Join Fee: Yes (£5,000 suggested donation)

Reminds me of Scientologists. 

I am so sick of the Zeitgeist propaganda, I'm closing this thread. 

Maybe in a few years they'll actually have something worth writing about.

I'm very busy DOING what I CAN do NOW.